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{December 11, 2008}   I caught the tWiLiGhT bug…

 I caught the Twilight bug. It was totally unintentional and I wasn’t even interested in the young adult books. In fact, it took the proding of my husband to even get me to be interested in seeing the movie or reading the books. Just didn’t look like my kind of reading – apologetic, non-fictional, historical, or other Christian study books. Just not me. I don’t read fiction anymore, too mindless and boring. Yuh-huh… I was very wrong.

We went and saw the movie at the end of November, and I was vaguely interested in reading the book. The movie seemed to hiccup and I wondered if there was more to it. So I picked up the first book at Wal-Mart for $7. It looked like it had been cut wrong and was probably discounted because of it’s weird shape and crooked pages. I didn’t care. I finished it in less than two days. Reading at every stop light, on every break at work, staying up late at night. I love to read but I haven’t read like this since I was in college or maybe even highschool. There just hasn’t been enough time or anything that has held my interest. I finished the whole series in less than a week. Even read the partial of Midnight Sun on Meyer’s official website.

After I devoured the book, as I pondered the whole hype involved with the fans, I wondered since this book was being deemed the next Harry Potter, if conservative Evangelical Christians would react the same as they had to HP. Meyer is also a devout Mormon, and I wondered how much this would play into the equation.

Both Joseph Smith, Jr. and Brigham Young taught that we (LDS) are to seek Truth, wherever it may come from. A lot of non-LDS Christians, and even some LDS, have wrongly interpreted this to mean that we (LDS) are to go gallivant with the Devil and other things ungodly, totally unhindered because we are “seeking” Truth. While I write this, I think of a particular poster on the MAD boards who practices witchcraft/magic and is a temple holding LDS. This is between him and God, although the LDS church is very clear on it’s teachings that members should have nothing to do with the Devil or his tools, trappings, etc on this Earth (think Tarrot cards or palm readings). Many conservatives are discussing how if Meyer was a Biblical Christian she wouldn’t be writing something like this – glorifying vampires (because you know, they’re soooo real and as such we just cannot glorify those evil demons… :P ). Whatever happened to interesting fiction with parental supervision? If one has a stumbling block of demons, the occult, etc. then use your own best judgement and don’t read it.

Andrew C. Skinner and Robert L. Millet, C. S. Lewis, the Man and His Message: An LDS Perspective , p.6

 At the same time, we are eager to find truth wherever we can and excited to acknowledge it from whomever it flows. Joseph Smith stated: “One of the grand fundamental principles of `Mormonism’ is to receive truth, let it come from whence it may.”    
 As Latter-day Saints we are in an interesting and somewhat awkward position in the Christian world. We claim divine apostolic authority and claim to be possessors of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. At the same time, we fully acknowledge that God is working His will through men and women throughout the earth, and that “every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God”  (Moro. 7:16).  President  Ezra  Taft Benson explained that our Heavenly Father uses the people of the earth, especially good people, to accomplish His purposes. “It has been true in the past, it is true today, it will be true in the future.”    

What I love about this is that the LDS church does acknowledge how God uses those outside of the Church. This is the correct understanding of seeking Truth, “let it come from whence it may” and other simiular teachings. I also take this, for me personally, that we are to understand that just as the Bible states that the rocks cry out in testimony to Him, so do those apart from the Church. Personally, I take no issue with that. Regardless if they are “Christian” or not, they can still have partial Truth, just not whole Truth.

In the last few weeks, I have been thinking long and hard about returning to the LDS church. There are few reasons as to why I do not, the most basic being family and time. Currently, I am filling a shift on Sunday and so it leaves me without time to attend my ward’s block meeting. Second, my husband doesn’t want to return to the LDS church and he doesn’t want to worship seperatly. Although I am sure we could negotiate if my schedule allowed it.

As I’ve pondered this return, I’ve considered what family, friends, and those who attend Grace Point with me would think or say. My stomache churns as I think of having to wear my apologetic hat for awhile to explain to everyone why I left Grace Point and returned to the LDS church. It makes me tired, cranky, and depressed.

Then I began to read blogs that attacked Twilight based solely on Meyer being LDS and the bloggers claiming that the Twiligh saga was simply an indoctrination of Mormon doctrines. Huh? As I read their point by point outlines on why they believe this, my mind is blown away, my jaw becomes rigid, and my temper burns. I read the lines about the LDS church’s “rigid teachings on abstience” and I want to punch a hole in the wall. When the hell did waiting become a bad thing? If people don’t live by their beliefs, being inmoveable, then why do they have those beliefs in the first place? Live according to belief, that isn’t a bad thing and certainly not warrented to be considered “rigid”. It would probably do more non-LDS churches good to be more “rigid” regarding abstience. I’m not saying this works for everyone, but c’mon, have a standard and stick to it. Atleast the Church is pretty up front about their standards.

As my anger calmed down, I realized how cold I grown to apologetics. It really simply annoys me now. And I realize that that is unhealthy. For months now, I’ve wanted to try to line up my Mormon beliefs with Protestant ones. Finally, I realized, WHY? Why do I care if anyone from Grace Point thinks I’m out of my mind for returning to the LDS church? Why do I care if my beliefs line up with Protestant ones? I’m past the point of considering myself a Protestant anymore and wholly identify as a Latter Day Saint. So, who gives a flip if a Protestant disagrees with me? I recently read a fantastic blog on being a “Christian”. It was written by a Latter Day Saint and bluntly outlined that sure, Protestants, Catholics, and others disagreed that Mormons were Christians, but really, who cares? It’s not like they can take away our Christianity. Why let it get to us so? Why allow Satan to use this as a point of contention? Paul only councilled to be ready with an answer for what we believe, not that we are to go on the offense or forever be defensive about our beliefs.

This is where Satan comes into play. Yet another move into apostasy. Taking what is good, right, and Biblical, and twisting it into something divise and ungodly. Attack, attack, attack. I’m sick of it all. Sure, there are plenty of people who believe what critics of the LDS church write, otherwise, those authors wouldn’t sell books and those readers would be LDS. But I don’t. And in the end, I am only responsible for my own personal relationship with God. We are to work out our own “salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philipians 2:12) Not everyone else’s.

I think at this point, I lean more towards Calvinism and of course, take comfort in the Spirit Kingdom where people can still accept Christ and live eternity with Him.

So people don’t believe the LDS church is the only True Church? That’s fine. God can still work through them, with them, and walk with them. I know that now without being threatened that I’m in a false church. I am grateful for this journey through the Protestant world, and don’t see myself withdrawing from it as it’s been a vitual part of my growth and understanding. I am happy serving when asked in Grace Point and am at peace with knowing I don’t agree with most of the teachings there, but can still take much from them through the Spirit.



My head is so jumbled right now that I’m not sure if I can even write a coherent blog – but seeing as I have to get up very early tomorrow morning (another 4 am rising) then I had better get this all purged so it won’t keep me up tonight.

Had another meeting with Elder Nelson and Brother Matthews tonight. The other two meetings, even with the consistent interruptions that one sort of expects from two toddlers, went pretty well. Tonight, everything was just all jumbled and chaos which was quite disheartening for me. Not to mention, very embarrassing. As I’ve mentioned over the past week or so, we adopted 2 year old (give or take) Maya who being a Lab/Pit Bull mix is VERY energetic. She’s very sweet and loving, but full of energy and tonight being that we (the family and I) were gone all day, had a ton of it pent up. The kids, being away from home and me all day, were the same. It does not make a good recipe for time spent in the scriptures or discussion. At one point, the comment was made that the Spirit was being disrupted (paraphrasing from my ever absent memory right now) because of Maya. For me, everything was being disrupted by Maya (and the kids as well). But it was quite the reminder how important reverence and atmosphere are in the LDS church for the Spirit.

When I think of time away with God, images come to my mind – quiet away from others, somewhere private, and somewhere calm. Like my bedroom (sans kids and dog of course) or even my closet which I converted into a prayer room after leaving the LDS church. There are pictures from the Gospel in action, a Bible and notebook to make notes, and there used to be a pillow to relax against (until I took it back to my bed). When I shared this moment with Steve, he casually implied that if I had not been with Latter Day Saints having this conversation, that the Spirit would have been just fine. That it’s a preference of Latter Day Saints, and not really a Protestant thing. I thought back to Protestant churches I had visited over the past 18 months (before leaving the LDS church) and the things that I slowly became more “used to” that before, I would have stepped back from. Like “rock music” so to speak in a church meeting. Now I love it and think that it’s a beautiful form of expressing praise to an Almighty God – even though I still prefer hymns and quiet worship, I see the beauty and passion in the modern day Evangelical worship setting. Or having church in a bar (which sadly seems to be at an end). I was so thrilled to hear about GP taking ministry into such an unconventional setting – going to those who probably need the Lord the most.

And so, I began thinking about Steve’s comment and our calm, assertive young pastor (he’s late 30s I believe – so not a “kid” young) – could he have held a discussion of spiritual matters with a 60 lb dog climbing on him and kids either fussing about wanting something or just clamoring for attention? Would the Spirit have been conducive to such an environment? We attended a small group at his home for about 4-6 weeks I believe (maybe longer) and they provided childcare. Kids jumping around upstairs sounding like they were going to bring the roof crashing down. And yet, he remained fully able to direct and lead the conversation. But, how spiritual was it? I honestly couldn’t tell you – I was still very much apologetic of the LDS church and still firmly believed in my own (LDS) beliefs. I was “trying” to let go and listen, but I’m a pretty stubborn person. Is God limited by the environment we are in at the time or is He big enough to work past that?

For me, I lean more towards God being bigger to work past those issues – kids and dogs and all sorts of craziness. However, I certainly believe that special, intimate time with Heavenly Father is achieved when we are able to focus on HIM and not on the crazy surroundings of the moment. I’m not sure how well I would adjust to being “boxed” in so to speak that God speaks only though and in certain moments and environments. I know when I was LDS, I would have baulked at the idea of church being in a bar (Steve did for a LONG time, even after coming to GP), but regardless if I would attend church in a bar (I wouldn’t) I most certainly see the need for reaching those in a bar and certainly believe that God is big enough to reach through all that, and touch someone, bringing them to Him.

Outside of these potholes tonight, the conversation was really great. Even if I did loose my train of thought a few times. :( I really cling to the Protestant (and I suppose Catholic) idea of polytheism but find a lot of freedom in what we discussed tonight regarding polytheism and whether or not it was what Jehovah was actually addressing in the Law. The Godhead makes – for me – logical sense. Of course, I wasn’t raised believing the Trinity – so I’m sure Trinity believers believe the Trinity makes logical sense. As I’ve read along some Trinity discussions on Rav, I find myself really torn on this issue. It could be that I simply don’t want to make a choice – stand by the experience I had a year ago, that I felt confirmed the Trinity to me or deny it and move right back into the LDS church.

Joseph Smith taught that it is the FIRST principal of the Gospel to know God and His nature. Which would then be – Trinity or Godhead? Part of me totally sweeps this all under the rug and refuses to really think about it. I tell myself that really, it doesn’t matter. Because that Gospel, or Good News, isn’t about whether or not Jesus was fully God and fully man (Trinity) or if He was the Son of God – a god Himself worthy of worship but not the Father.

And yet, in both the Protestant churches and in the LDS church – knowing God’s nature is an essential, a first principal, even of the Gospel. Which makes me really turn my mouth down. :P I wonder if I refuse to move on from this doctrine because I want accept the Godhead so that I can be Mormon again OR if I refuse to move on because I don’t want to deny the Trinity because it’s something that while I feel is illogical, is something that I still see as possible. Even if I don’t really want to acknowledge that.

Is my desire to return to the LDS church, simply over ruling my common sense or logical thinking? On the one hand, there are doctrines that while I believe are logical, go against everything as a conservative Evangelical I would hold as fundamental. They go against my personal daily application – such as offending the Spirit and yet, still are logical.

Tonight we discussed the context of when people are without a Prophet – Biblically speaking, they go straight into apostasy. Again, very logical. Biblical example to back it up and all one really needs to do is look around the Mainstream Christian churches to see utter chaos in it all, not unity or one faith. But a lot of heavy opinions and preferences without any authority.

So, I’ve promised to buckle down and write up some questions for our next meeting. Hopefully, in a week away from my house and all the possible distractions. I have some reading in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon that I’m going to get to and then we’ll sit down with some more questions. I’ve also been told that if I’d like to no longer work in GP Kidz then I am free to do so. This is a problem for me – I’d love to go ahead and leave and start attending block meetings BUT I made a commitment and part of me feels, if I were to just leave GP Kidz, there’d be nothing holding me back from being a “True Blue Mormon” again (albeit a weird, very doctrinally liberal one). And I am committed to NOT jumping back in there again. I want time to read – the BoM and the Bible cover and to cover and fully understand what I am committing to.

Which leaves me – totally uncommitted to either organization. And sleepy.



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